tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29606082.post280722612147646578..comments2023-10-03T06:25:41.357-05:00Comments on Grace Roots Blog: Objections to the gospel of graceJoel Bruesekehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10395847887953875757noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29606082.post-34517238037149538712009-06-18T08:22:31.903-05:002009-06-18T08:22:31.903-05:00Gary,
Yep, I know the discussions you're tal...Gary, <br /><br />Yep, I know the discussions you're talking about. :) And I think you used two good words - maturity and weariness - to describe the inclination to not duke it out so much anymore. I've looked back on my conversations with others and I've had some pretty intense - and yet futile and fruitless conversations with others. I've been worn out by some of them, and I think it's just wise to not get into them.<br /><br />As you say, if people 'get' it, it's because of God's revelation. My many words won't get through to them and their many words won't get through to me. I like how it's been said that this is a message that's caught, not taught.<br /><br />Becky,<br /><br />Yep indeed, there truly is a difference between people who are genuinely interested in what each other have to say (even if they disagree) and people who are simply wanting to be "right." The former type of conversation is what I like. Sharing knowledge <i>can</i> be a good thing, but so many times it deescalates (often very quickly) into a battle of wits and name calling, as Gary said. I've learned to spot those and to stay away from them. I'm still learning. :)Joel Bruesekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10395847887953875757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29606082.post-88473838582581662572009-06-18T07:06:47.243-05:002009-06-18T07:06:47.243-05:00"especially people who are genuinely curious ..."especially people who are genuinely curious and aren't coming from the head position."<br /><br /><br />I think that is the key. I enjoy those types of discussions. What I don't like is when one or both parties in a discussion are closed minded to what the other is saying and their only goal is to "win." Things heat up, get personal and maybe names get called. That sucks. It is usually easy to spot those fairly quickly.<br /><br />I like having conversations with those who "get it" and they are sources of encouragement. I guess there is a danger in only preaching to the choir. Maybe danger isn't the right word, but iron sharpens steel. Maybe we should play "devils advocate" with each other more often as preparation for discussions with those who are trapped in legalism.<br /><br />GaryGary Kirkhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12870342469118915243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29606082.post-90010534275625588712009-06-17T22:32:24.282-05:002009-06-17T22:32:24.282-05:00I love it when people "get it"! I also ...I love it when people "get it"! I also enjoy getting into discourse with people - especially people who are genuinely curious and aren't coming from the head position. I find that when I share with people who are curious I as really strongly reminded of everything that Jesus has done for me. Even if they disagree I am still encouraged. . .The Lewis Familyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10131747888736412319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29606082.post-18536116205153079502009-06-17T21:40:11.640-05:002009-06-17T21:40:11.640-05:00Joel,
I have learned to pick my battles, as well....Joel,<br /><br />I have learned to pick my battles, as well. I have been in far too many discussions, some resembling all out war...you have taken part in some. :) I don't know if its maturity or weariness, but the older I get the less inclined I am to "duke it out," so to speak. Grace is one of those things that someone either gets or they don't. If they/we get it, then it's because God revealed it to us. I have seen many instances, while sitting in Bible study, that I or someone else will make some seemingly innocuous point and the light bulb goes off in someone mind..."I GET IT" Tears flow, lives changeā¦that's God! It's a beautiful thing.<br /><br />GaryGary Kirkhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12870342469118915243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29606082.post-22748250324547105592009-06-17T17:05:58.189-05:002009-06-17T17:05:58.189-05:00Bino,
Yep, that paragraph is what I was leading u...Bino,<br /><br />Yep, that paragraph is what I was leading up to, and I'll continue on with those thoughts in the next post. Those who haven't truly tasted the love and grace of God have such a poor understanding of those who are walking in its fullness or growing in it.<br /><br />John,<br /><br />Yep indeed, Luther's words are misunderstood and misaligned but in the context of his whole statement it makes a lot of sense!Joel Bruesekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10395847887953875757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29606082.post-43524527434688219922009-06-17T16:00:21.022-05:002009-06-17T16:00:21.022-05:00Joel,
That's why the objectors cannot underst...Joel,<br /><br />That's why the objectors cannot understand what Luther meant when he uttered these words, "..sin boldly..".Aussie Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16199918171163666399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29606082.post-87565183294261382632009-06-17T15:42:47.960-05:002009-06-17T15:42:47.960-05:00Great post, Joel! The paragraph you started with &...Great post, Joel! The paragraph you started with "Let me tell you something.." speaks volumes.Bino M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02303467552834533436noreply@blogger.com